tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2694983711794441623.post6718826573638913123..comments2024-02-04T12:33:21.975-08:00Comments on The Crow Diaries: Desperados...The Welsh winter climber as an internet nerdUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2694983711794441623.post-57233850038762075522012-12-31T15:25:32.465-08:002012-12-31T15:25:32.465-08:00I dont like to comment on these things as they jus...I dont like to comment on these things as they just tend to fan the flames but I feel the need to point out that the Chap who claims to have soloed Tourquing Shit may well have been talking poop as the chaps who were on it said there was no sign of traffic ahead of them and climbed it in good if a little tricky condition. They then abbed as the thaw began to hit... as they are decent winter climbers and above that people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09270862095821085199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2694983711794441623.post-16942126361830723592012-12-21T12:09:39.063-08:002012-12-21T12:09:39.063-08:00Or, to re-frame your question slightly: why does w...Or, to re-frame your question slightly: why does winter climbing seem to attract more self-righteous dickheads who feel inclined to use ukc to comment on conditions even without having touched the routes concerned... than other branches of climbing?<br /><br />I offer a couple of reasons, specific to winter climbing and especially pronounced in North Wales: <br />1. The limited time-frame to climb, combined with widespread and almost instant access to information about what other people <b>are</b> climbing produces a 'fear of missing out' jealousy amongst internet commentators like your friend.<br />2. Ignorance of the routes involved is rife amongst N.Wales winter climbers: unfrozen turf in a gully, which is full knee-deep snow, doesn't equate to the same conditions on a steeper mixed route. Your commentator was in a gully.<br />3. The mix of climbers in North Wales - where a number of winter climbers stuck in the 70's still thinking it's all about gulleys, ridges and ice-falls, co-exist alongside a smaller group of mixed climbers who actually go out and climb the harder routes above grade V, have plenty of respect for the rare flora thanks, and don't need lecturing on conditions via the most dire excuse of a climbing forum on the web (ukc).<br /><br />The ukc commentator's 'glorified dry-tooling' comment says it all, and completely nullifies any creditability his other points might have. <br /><br />Your example of a 'sensible winter enthusiast' is my example of someone throwing uninformed mud at more experienced and responsible winter climbers.petejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14009792329174645942noreply@blogger.com